A monument stirs immigration debate

[no peeky panish]

you know...

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I can't believe the naive ignorance of people who believe that piece of crap baca.

What kind of "official" word can you expect from what IS, indeed "occupied territory"?

When the mayor, the city council, the majority of business owners all have more alegience to a foreign entity, it is easy to see why such savagery and violence is the order of the day in baldwin park.

Every food selling business I saw, had some type of advertisement, LARGE in the case of albertson's (we accept wic vouchers) for some type of entitlement voucher.

These "people" and again I use that term loosely when applied to the denizens of baldwin park, sometimes have 3-4 identities tat they use to collect government benfits.

My wife and I struggle at well paying jobs to be able to afford half of the things these parasitic invaders have. Keeping up with the Jones' has gone by the wayside and now hardworking SMALL American families are struggling to keep up with the tchtapquytl family. Why is it fair that a group of unskilled, illiterate that spawn like blowflies and live like rats don't have to pay for food during what is, hopefully, an extended vacation?

People are starting to wake up, and after baldwin park has paid it's millionth dollar to preserve a piece of crap that noone cared about until we were offended, and after home depot has to start making the undesireables wait in the scorching hot parking lot stinking of their own wastes again.

The southwest is going to hell in a handbasket, and large corporations and third world foreigners are carrying it.

/rant.

thanks for the good times this weekend guys.

[lance_sjogren]

One question I think needs to be asked of my fellow immigration reform advocates:


To what extent does it make sense to respond to the racist wackos of the left? (and for any lefties on this board, I want to emphasize that I only consider SOME of the leftist to be racist wackos, while some are reasonable people that simply hold different views from us on these issues).

But, as to that lunatic fringe, the reconquista wackos: These guys are nobodies, and they have no influence on anything.

If the southwest ever were taken over by Mexico, it certainly wouldn't be because of the efforts of these losers!


So the question is, if the looney elements among the leftists have no influence, other than to make buffoons out of themselves, why put a lot of energy into fighting them?

I guess the answer that some people feel is that by goading the loonies into taking a high profile such that they get in the news, ordinary people get a look at them and get alarmed at the idea that such loonies are having an influence. And they actually aren't having much of an influence, but that illusion is created when they get coverage by the media.


Another counterargument I could see is that someone might contend that the loonies have more influence than I might think. Because, it is this group that has been responsible to some degree for intimidating the politicians into supporting things like amnesty, lest they be called names by the loonies.

So, I can see points on both sides, I'm just throwing the issue out here for discussion.

[lance_sjogren]

"Baca and many others, however, worry about the lasting effects the protests could have on legitimate discussion in the form of artistic censorship. "


I think Baca's concerned are unfounded. I steadfastly support her first amendment right to engage in racist hate speech. I don't like seeing tax money going for it.

But if it is Baldwin Park that has legal jurisdiction in the case, then I fully honor that city's right to have such a monument.

(on that I guess I may be on the opposite side from Joe Turner)

And, the monument may actually have a positive impact in the long run.


Just like what someone pointed out about the anti-Jewish stuff that was put up as a monument in Germany to remind people of evil, not to endorse it.

Except in this case, the purpose of the art is hate. But that doesn't mean that it can't wind up serving the opposite purpose to what the artist intended.

In other words, the monument could serve to make people more aware of how evil hatred is, even though Baca's purpose was apparently quite the opposite.