Raul Martinez Is Proud Legal American Immigrant

[TheWatchdog]

“It’s all about the freedom,” Martinez said. “I’m an American. One hundred percent. We put out a flag. We barbecue. I’m an American. That’s it.”
Raul Martinez treats Independence Day like any other day.
He’ll spend it making sure the 85 horses he trains along with two of his sons, Ralph and Randy, are prepped and ready [...]

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[004]

No offense but I never quite understand what the point of these articles is.

What if all these millions of third-world immigrants got their citizenship, would that be OK? All these rabble and peons who come over here with their anchor babies whom everyone complains about--it would be ok if they did it legally? They'd still be dropping kids at the County Hospital and lowering wages and all the rest of it, but it would be OK because they're legal?

[Guarddog]

No offense but I never quite understand what the point of these articles is.

What if all these millions of third-world immigrants got their citizenship, would that be OK? All these rabble and peons who come over here with their anchor babies whom everyone complains about--it would be ok if they did it legally? They'd still be dropping kids at the County Hospital and lowering wages and all the rest of it, but it would be OK because they're legal?The guy is 100% American. He loves this country and that's a great thing. If you don't see that then you are looking for other things to complain about. Be happy for this guy. He has embraced the American way of life. Isn't that what we ask of immigrants. You need to ease up on immigrants you should be congratulating. This guy is a perfect example.

[SeeShell]

No offense but I never quite understand what the point of these articles is.

What if all these millions of third-world immigrants got their citizenship, would that be OK? All these rabble and peons who come over here with their anchor babies whom everyone complains about--it would be ok if they did it legally? They'd still be dropping kids at the County Hospital and lowering wages and all the rest of it, but it would be OK because they're legal?


That wouldn't be okay with me. That's exactly why we are against amnesty!!!!! You've hit the nail on the head!! That's why we need enforcement of the laws already on the books, so there is no incentive for them to be here and they go home. Those who come by citizenship through legal channels (aside from amnesty) are okay by me, at least they'll pay taxes.

[TheWatchdog]

I believe we need to have strict limits as to how many immigrants are accepted each year. No more than 200,000. Maybe less than that.

[004]

The guy is 100% American. He loves this country and that's a great thing. If you don't see that then you are looking for other things to complain about. Be happy for this guy. He has embraced the American way of life. Isn't that what we ask of immigrants. You need to ease up on immigrants you should be congratulating. This guy is a perfect example.

I honestly don't get your point. Everyone on the forum complains (rightly so) about how certain parts of the county are being turned into third world pits, and that these uneducated people are a strain on the system, that they or their kids are disproportionately criminals, taking jobs, lowering wages etc etc--all kinds of grievances against them...but it's ok, though, if they become citizens?

What if all or most of these undocumentos became citizens? Imagine that the third-worlders are now citizens...then what?

[Guarddog]

I honestly don't get your point. Everyone on the forum complains (rightly so) about how certain parts of the county are being turned into third world pits, and that these uneducated people are a strain on the system, that they or their kids are disproportionately criminals, taking jobs, lowering wages etc etc--all kinds of grievances against them...but it's ok, though, if they become citizens?

What if all or most of these undocumentos became citizens? Imagine that the third-worlders are now citizens...then what?Did you even read the entire article 004? When will you give this guy a break? He is an American citizen. The guy came here in 1956 from Cuba, 51 years ago, before there was an immigration crisis, legal or otherwise. That's before Castro took over. In other words a long, long time ago. I assume legally cause it does not say otherwise. He worked his butt off, and today has a very successful horse training business. He is not a drain on society, he is an asset. It looks like he married and American named Patricia. He loves this country and has become an American through and through. He melted into the pot. This guy is not a drain on the American system he is an asset. What's your beef with him specifically, because that is what this article is about?

[Kele]

Did you even read the entire article 004? When will you give this guy a break? He is an American citizen. The guy came here in 1956 from Cuba, 51 years ago, before there was an immigration crisis, legal or otherwise. That's before Castro took over. In other words a long, long time ago. I assume legally cause it does not say otherwise. He worked his butt off, and today has a very successful horse training business. He is not a drain on society, he is an asset. It looks like he married and American named Patricia. He loves this country and has become an American through and through. He melted into the pot. This guy is not a drain on the American system he is an asset. What's your beef with him specifically, because that is what this article is about?


This gentleman is a perfect example of the type of immigrant America needs. Not only is he an American by virtue of his citizenship, but he is an American in his heart.

We are against ILLEGAL immigration, not legal immigrants who integrate into our society and become American success stories! My grandparents emigrated legally in the early 1900's. From that moment on, in their hearts, they ceased to be citizens of another country and became Americans.

This gentleman has done the same, and I for one say, good for him!!!!:wub:

[Sonar]

Raul Martinez ROCKS!

[004]

Did you even read the entire article 004? When will you give this guy a break? He is an American citizen. The guy came here in 1956 from Cuba, 51 years ago, before there was an immigration crisis, legal or otherwise. That's before Castro took over. In other words a long, long time ago. I assume legally cause it does not say otherwise. He worked his butt off, and today has a very successful horse training business. He is not a drain on society, he is an asset. It looks like he married and American named Patricia. He loves this country and has become an American through and through. He melted into the pot. This guy is not a drain on the American system he is an asset. What's your beef with him specifically, because that is what this article is about?

My beef isn't against him at all.

Also, are you saying there is a difference between Mexicans and Cubans?

[TheWatchdog]

My beef isn't against him at all.

Also, are you saying there is a difference between Mexicans and Cubans?

Yeah there is a difference. Mexicans are citizens of Mexico and Cubans are citizens of Cuba.

Do you have a problem with Hispanics in general?

All the Cuban immigrants that I have met are very proud Americans. Frank Jorge and Tony Dolz immigrated from Cuba and they are very involved in the anti-illegal immigration movement.

[Guarddog]

My beef isn't against him at all.

Also, are you saying there is a difference between Mexicans and Cubans?I am really not sure what you mean by that statement. I had a Cuban partner for eight years. I should be offended by what you said, but I'm not. I understand what you are trying to say. But You have to be careful 004. Making blanket statements about an entire country, especially if they are all Hispanic has the appearance of racism. I am not saying you are but you have to put some thought into what you say. Our opponents will jump at every chance to point out what they see intolerance and use it against us. Think if someone made blanket statements about Americans. Does that not infuriate you? Just choose your words carefully.

If a Mexican or a Cuban goes through the proper channels to become a citizen, learns English, loves this country first, is self sustaining, and makes statements like Raul did:

“It’s all about the freedom,” Martinez said. “I’m an American. One hundred percent. We put out a flag. We barbecue. I’m an American. That’s it.”

What else can you ask for?

The number's of legal immigrants has to be in proportion to what can be assimilated over a certain amount of time. I agree with Watchdog on that. They must also show a means of support either my their own means or through family. I am totally against chain migration. But say if that were to pass, I still would object to say for example, a mother and a father or a grandmother or a grandfather allowed in with no means of supporting themselves. You and I have paid into SS, for example our entire lives and we deserve what we get come retirement. A foreigner who has lived all their lives outside the US and has not paid a dime into SS, has no claim to that. It's insanity to invite family members in who cannot show a means of support. Who ends up paying if they don't? We do. That is a slap in the face to all who followed the rules and paid their way. On top of everything else it just makes no damn sense.

[004]

Making blanket statements about an entire country, especially if they are all Hispanic has the appearance of racism.

Yes but blanket statements are made about the country of Mexico (on this forum) on a daily basis. Nothing wrong with it, really.

[Guarddog]

Yes but blanket statements are made about the country of Mexico (on this forum) on a daily basis. Nothing wrong with it, really.Ahhh but I believe when you say "Mexicans" instead of "Mexico" the statement takes on a whole new meaning. When I say Mexico sucks, I mean the government. But if I said Mexicans suck, that is a blanket statement about all the Mexican people themselves. That is wrong. Just my opinion of course.

Yea I know it's semantics, but it matters because the other side is ready to pounce for what you say and use it against you.

How would you interpret somebody saying:

"Americans suck" vs. "America sucks"?

Tell me honestly what you were trying to say here:

Also, are you saying there is a difference between Mexicans and Cubans?

[004]

Tell me honestly what you were trying to say here: Also, are you saying there is a difference between Mexicans and Cubans?

I can't recall exactly what led me to ask that, although I notice that right-wingers have a tendency to defend Cuban immigrants but not Mexican ones.

[Sonar]

Yes but blanket statements are made about the country of Mexico (on this forum) on a daily basis. Nothing wrong with it, really.

:laugh:yea that'a boy, c'mon out goonie, you know you can't hold it in much longer. :cool:

[Sonar]

I can't recall exactly what led me to ask that, although I notice that right-wingers have a tendency to defend Cuban immigrants but not Mexican ones.

here we go, I think 004 put me on his ignore list.

This is fun! :wink:

[TheWatchdog]

:nofeed:

Goon!