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SaveOurState
08-01-2005, 01:11 AM
Blame hate, not victims of crimes (http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/Stories/0,1413,206~11851~2988885,00.html)

What an incredibly bizarre op-ed...I dont even think I understand the title of it.

SOME say Californians ought not be surprised by the rise in assaults on Latinos given the anti-illegal-immigration sentiment in the state.
That's pointing the fingers at the wrong culprit. Hate crimes are the work of bigots and they'll use anything as an excuse.

Sorry, but we refuse to accept justification for such unjustifiable hatred toward Latinos, here legally or not. Yet, according to a report from Attorney General Bill Lockyer, hate crimes against Latinos increased from 103 in 2003 to 138 in 2004.

Happily, Latinos and others were quick to refute such rhetoric when the Save Our State organization used the illegal immigrant card in its attempt to remove a cultural monument in Baldwin Park.

So misguided were SOS' actions that members of the Minuteman Project who seek to stop illegal border crossings steered well clear of the local demonstrations.

Our recent front-page story by Staff Writer Marianne Love notes crimes against African Americans and Asian/Pacific Islanders also increased during the same time period from 463 to 693 and from 66 to 87 respectively. Last we looked, few if any from these ethnic groups were counted among those crossing the Rio Grande into the United States.

Face it, the miscreants who strike out at others based solely on race, ethnicity, creed or sexual orientation do so because they mistakenly believe that the wider society will condone their despicable behavior. Blaming hate crimes against Latinos on anti-illegal-immigrant sentiment perpetuates that lie.

Thankfully, Americans for the most part have moved beyond such misguided thinking. That's precisely why we have a legal "hate' crime designation and why that application carries harsher punishment. Society is sickened by such banal behavior and juries across the nation have rightly handed down long sentences for these crimes.

So let's be careful to accurately identify the source of these crimes pure, old-fashioned, hate. Unless we know the enemy, victory will elude us.


I find it interesting that this op-ed piece was written in the first place. As far as I can tell, they never published my letter to the editor. I will add it here:

Dear Editor:

Marshall Wong of the Los Angeles County Human Relations Commission mindlessly coughed up the “[rise in] anti-immigrant sentiment evidenced by vigilante groups who have attacked day laborers” as an explanation for increase in hate crimes against Latinos in 2004 (Racial Hate Crimes on the Rise, July 23).

First, our movement openly embraces immigration and has the support of many legal immigrants who are tired of seeing illegal aliens simply walk across the border while they play by the rules.

Until the Border Patrol conducted inland sweeps in the latter half of 2004, the anti-illegal immigration movement was arguably dormant with respect to public protests.Â* It wasnÂ’t until 2005 that we saw a groundswell of “street-level” activism, particularly at day laborer gathering sites.Â* Also, the term “vigilante” did not enter the vernacular of this debate until the Minuteman Project gained national attention in early 2005.

According to Wong, “vigilante groupsÂ…have attacked day laborers.”Â* I would like to know where and when these attacks occurred and what group he is referring to specifically.

Finally, seven of the nine preceding years had more reported anti-Hispanic hate crimes. In actuality, anti-Hispanic hate crimes are at relative lows. (Please see page 42 of the Attorney General's report)

Journalism consists of more than regurgitation of talking points. Mr. Wong purposefully used mischaracterization and the race card to smear organizations such as Save Our State.Â* At best, he lacks the fundamental ability to combine facts with logic.Â* Either way, it is unfortunate that your publication did not challenge his ridiculously idiotic statement.


Sincerely,

Joseph Turner
Executive Director
Save Our State

We are living in a surreal world.

Happily, Latinos and others were quick to refute such rhetoric

Does anyone even know what this person is talking about? What rhetoric did they refute? I know I am baised and all, but I try to be fair and I consider myself to be pretty intelligent.

Does anyone understand anything about this pathetic editorial?

Oldpreach
08-01-2005, 02:03 AM
Love that part about MMP'ers stearing clear...hmm, guess I do not count, and the other like 10 MMp'ers just off the top of my head that were thee do not either!

What a clown he is to not bother checking facts.

RIM05
08-01-2005, 06:07 AM
Joe, which news paper was this article in. Maybe I can get a reply to them.
Thanks.

Drumsme7
08-01-2005, 09:10 AM
I'm not surprised in the least.This is typical tripe from the elitist media. Facts mean absolutely nothing to them. He speaks of rhetoric? The true definition of "rhetoric" is his words, his entire op-ed is nothing but rhetoric. These fascists don't care about the truth, they only care about their leftist agenda. They're not journalists, they're liars & intellectual cowards. Their mission is to spread propaganda, not divulge the truth

sosal
08-01-2005, 10:43 AM
A typical open borders hack piece.

I'm starting to think that they use the same piece for everything, and just change the names and locations.

Raymond
08-01-2005, 12:14 PM
I find it interesting that this op-ed piece was written in the first place. As far as I can tell, they never published my letter to the editor.

Joe, let me impart some wisdom from last year's Fire Dreier campaign. For others, it was started last year by 2 local talk show hosts (John & Ken; weekdays from 3-7 of KFI radio at 640 AM) to unseat Congressman David Dreier, a Republican sell out to big corporation and Bush's vision of free trade zones and untempered "internationalism" at the expense of U.S. jobs, our culture, language and way of life. We had an active campaign of writing letters to the Pasadena Star News (http://pasadenastarnews.com/) and the San Gabriel Valley Tribune (http://sgvtribune.com/) which cover most of Dreier's district in the San Gabriel Valley. Both papers are owned by the same company, and the letters editor is the very same person for both papers.

She admitted that anti-Dreier letters were coming in at a ratio of 2-1 to 3-1 against Dreier, yet somehow the paper managed to published 2 pro-Dreier letters for every one against. Turns out that Dreier personally knew the papers' owners. We did, however, have limited success by calling and re-submitting our letters to the editor almost daily. We stayed diplomatic, despite knowing damn well they were throwing our letters away while publishing letters from Dreier's staff and a few questionalbe supporters. Point is, the follow-up with the letters editor made a difference in getting more letters published. Without it, barely any of our letters would have been. You need to put pressure on the letters editor, follow-up, re-submit and basically be in their faces, all the while being diplomatic and trying not to get on their bad sides too much. It's a balancing act.

Taps
08-01-2005, 07:27 PM
As I have said before, the press, radio and TV are owned by 5 or 6 people. All elitist, outsourcing, open border traitors.

Binh
08-01-2005, 11:35 PM
Originally posted by Taps@Aug 1 2005, 05:27 PM
As I have said before, the press, radio and TV are owned by 5 or 6 people. All elitist, outsourcing, open border traitors.
Do you mean ALL of the press is owned by only 5 or 6 people? What are their names?

Raymond
08-02-2005, 12:52 PM
San Gabriel Valley Tribune Profile

Owner: Media News Group
URL: Media Group's Website (http://www.medianewsgroup.com/AboutUs/)

"MediaNews Group is one of the largest newspaper companies in the United States situated throughout California, the Rocky Mountain region and the Northeast. We are privately owned and operate 40 daily newspapers in 9 states with combined daily and Sunday circulation of approximately 1.7 million and 2.3 million, respectively. Each of our newspapers maintains a website focused on local news content."

Here's a list of ONLY their Southern California Newspapers
Los Angeles Daily News - Los Angeles, CA
LA.com - Los Angeles, CA
LA Daily News - Los Angeles, CA
Inland Valley Daily Bulletin - Ontario, CA
Long Beach Press Telegram - Long Beach, CA
San Gabriel Valley Tribune - San Gabriel Valley, CA
Pasadena Star-News - Pasadena, CA
Whittier Daily News - Whittier, CA
The Sun - San Bernardino - San Bernardino, CA
Redlands Daily Facts - Redlands, CA
U-Entertainment - Los Angeles, CA
U-Daily News - Los Angeles, CA
U-Daily Bulletin - Ontario, CA
U-SGV Tribune - San Gabriel Valley, CA
U-Pasadena Star News - Pasadena, CA
U-Whittier Daily News - Whittier, CA
U-The Sun - San Bernardino - San Bernadino, CA
U-Redlands Daily Facts - Redlands, CA
U-Press Telegram - Long Beach, CA

This helps explain why its so hard to find honest reporting on the problems associated with illegal immigration in local papers - they're NOT locally owned! Big business interests need only bribe a few few affluent individuals, offer them gifts and/or favors, and you've effectively gained some control over content in many dozens of "local" papers.

Raymond
08-02-2005, 01:00 PM
I think the name you're looking for as the owner of the SGV Tribune and so many other papers is William Dean Singleton. I have more information for you, thanks to the radicals at Indymedia: San Diego Indymedia's Report on Media News Group (http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2004/11/106823.shtml).

Their motivation was to whine about the November election coverage. The same mechanisms/power structures that causes all these local papers to avoid coverage on left-wing pet issues like election fraud also serves to lead to censorship of anti-illegal immigration issues as well. It's not a left vs. right thing. It's a power elite vs. ordinary people situation, and those on top like George Bush (hense the biased election coverage) and open borders (hense the lack of unbiased coverage on immigration).

I'mwithya
08-02-2005, 01:04 PM
There is an increase of assaults on Latinos?

I thought the assaults were mostly due to Latino gangs and THEIR assaults on others?

Binh
08-02-2005, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by Raymond@Aug 2 2005, 11:00 AM
I think the name you're looking for as the owner of the SGV Tribune and so many other papers is William Dean Singleton.
Where does he live? We should go demonstrate in front of his gate (I am sure he has one)

Cat Patrol
08-03-2005, 10:27 PM
Of course you're going to have an increase in "hate crimes" against "latinos" when the number of "latinos" vastly increases as a percentage of the population every fricking year.


And secondly, "hate crime" statistics and "latinos" really mean absolutely nothing, when the FBI intentionally skews its statistics regarding latinos. The FBI has no perpetrator category for latinos, it counts latino perpetrators as White. However, Latino hate crime VICTIMS are classified as Latino.

minuteman pilot
08-04-2005, 07:08 PM
What kind of garbage is that? Hate crimes against latinos increased from 103 in 2003 to 138 in 2004!? What the hell does that mean? With millions of latino's streaming into the state every year there were all of 138 "hate crimes" against them. What happended? Were some of them called names? In the meantime they are killing police in Burbank, Denver, L.A.Sheriff's and having shoot outs with LAPD while holding their 19-month old's in their arms --- but it's the "hate crimes" we should be concerned with. Assbags! :head: