Day Labor Site Stronger Than Ever

[Ghost]

Hiring center still strong
*Protests at day-labor site have not curtailed its operations, officials say.

By Suzie Harrison, Coastline Pilot

A spate of protests over illegal immigration at the Day Labor Center has not made a dramatic impact on the center's operations.

Although the facility has been at the center of a firestorm over the issue of illegals crossing the Mexican border, the number of job-seekers and employers at the Laguna Canyon Road center has not been significantly reduced, organizers say.


The center was dealt a one-two punch recently with nearly back-to-back protests July 16 and 30, one of which took place in the Civic Arts District near downtown. Still, effects on the center's operations have been short-lived.

"The numbers aren't significantly down," said David Peck, of the Cross Cultural Council, which runs the center. "We have about the same number of guys coming in looking for workers and the same number of people hired.

"Maybe when the demonstrators are there, fewer people drive in, but overall, it [demonstrations] hasn't affected us."

Coordinator of the job center, Irma Ronses, who is on-site Monday through Saturday from 6 a.m. to noon, agreed.

"I haven't noticed a drop in business since the protests," Ronses said. "And we have the same amount of people who show up for work."

On a recent Wednesday, Ronses was facilitating job assignments, surrounded by vases filled with flowers, celebrating her six-year anniversary working at the center.

"I was here for the protest; the last protest didn't affect us," Ronses said. "They started doing it around 11 a.m., so we had the whole morning before for work.

"Still the contractors and homeowners see a lot of people or police and think something is happening. They don't want to come to that."

The day of the July 30 protest -- which drew militant protestors waving Nazi flags -- 27 workers got jobs.

"I'm a citizen here; I saw a sign that said 'illegals go back to Mexico," Ronses said. "I feel bad because I'm Latino and to be treated like we're criminals. We're here because we want to work. You feel really bad when you hear things like that."

Two Saturday's later, 49 workers received work with a week total of 157 jobs.

"It was a good week, we had a lot of work," Ronses said. "It's so different every single day. We feel really good that we can make it and do it."

On the day of the July 30 rally, Ronses said they received a lot of support.

"A lot of students from L.A. and San Bernardino came all the way here to support us," Ronses said.

Dario Hernandez, 48, has been working in Laguna since 1986 and has been at the job center since its inception in 1993. He used to live in Laguna Beach but can no longer afford it and now commutes from Santa Ana.

Ronses translated for Hernandez.

"All my family lives in Mexico; I work and send money to support them over there," Hernandez said.

The protests have made him sad and fearful for his security.

"I'm worried that the contractors won't come anymore like they did before," Hernandez said.

His family counts on him. He goes home once a year to see his wife and two children.

"My family used to live here, but we couldn't afford it," Hernandez said. "So I had to send them back. I hope to work and make enough money and save money, so my family can all live together."

Ronses says that 30% of the workers live in Laguna Beach, while the other 70% live nearby, including Laguna Hills, Aliso Viejo and Costa Mesa.

Enrique Aquilara, 18, said he has been finding work through the job center for two years. Ronses translated for Aguilara, who also spoke some English.

"The protesters don't affect me," Aguilara said. "And I've been treated good by the people that hire me."

He said if he didn't have the job center, he would have to find work in a restaurant or factory.

Aguilara said there is a lot of camaraderie at the center.

Artem Petunin, 20, an exchange student from Russia for the summer, uses the center to earn extra cash. He said he was told about the job center by a friend in Laguna Niguel, where he is staying.

"The first day I was afraid, but within a few days, I made friends, and I don't even know Spanish," Petunin said.

The protests are a nonissue to Petunin.

"I just heard about the protest just now -- the workers don't talk about it," he said.

Across the street from the job center, Ganahl Lumber Co. has taken a hit because of the protests, which affected business on the days of the demonstrations.

"Our customers don't like it at all," sales manager Dave Miller said. "There's an increase in traffic, and the police try and help, but we shut down when it happens."

Miller said Ganahl has no affiliation either way on the issue of illegals.

"A lot of people have been calling up and leaving nasty messages that we support illegal hiring," Miller said. "We get phone calls mostly -- they are usually too afraid to confront us face to face."

He said the lumberyard was built before the job center existed and gets targeted due to its close proximity.

"We're right across the street; some people are so hard-lined that they actually protest us," Miller said. "We don't know where they get their information; they're completely ignorant of the situation. That's a horrible thing for us."

He said Ganahl has no problems with the day laborers.

Kate Marshall, who lives near the job center in the Canyon Acres neighborhood, said she is not pleased with the protests.

Since the protests, Marshall has noticed increased traffic, but she's more incensed by the protesters' stance.

"People [the protesters] are coming up with uninformed opinions," Marshall said. "We have more problems with transients and delinquent teenagers."

She said she has hired workers multiple times for anything from moving to construction.

"I've hired them not because they're cheap, but they are reliable and work hard," Marshall said. "The ones I've talked to and heard their stories are just amazing people."

* SUZIE HARRISON is a reporter for the Laguna Beach Coastline Pilot. She may be reached at (949) 494-4321 or suzie.harrison@latimes.com.

[Ghost]

Racism is pernicious affliction

Recent demonstrations at the day-labor site have exposed the not-so-hidden racism of those who use their opposition to illegal immigration as a means to manifest their true racist feelings. Seeing spirited protesters waving American flags in unison with those of the Aryan Brotherhood and neo-confederacy is a painful reminder of the ubiquitous nature of racism, a dark corner of the human soul. Just when you think America has this pernicious cancer in remission it metastasizes once again.

Obviously, racism has been a shaping force in American history. The fact that the government has now seen fit to pass laws against "hate crimes," no matter how futile, is nevertheless an indication that prejudice and racism is deeply embedded in the national ethos. Yet, no matter what laws we pass, they cannot exorcise what is hard-wired to our collective unconscious. We can only use the tools of law and a sense of moral empathy to keep racism and class warfare in check.

The issue of "legal" versus "illegal" in the case of illegal immigration is only a ruse or red herring. If today we made all Hispanic laborers legal tomorrow the protesters would find some other excuse to vent their hate. Bigots are like that. In their game of smoke and mirrors, the opposition has couched its current debate in legal terms to make it palatable to a society that prides itself in being law abiding. It gets our attention.

Most Americans are offended by lawbreakers and rightfully so. We are a nation of laws. This is an important part of how we define civilization. Thus the term "illegal" is a cultural hot button. If the issue of legality is truly what this whole thing is all about I would say, "OK send all the lawbreakers back home." However, no sane person believes this. Even the Skinheads and Neo Confederates came running at the sweet smell of racism. They know when the game is afoot.

Our own regional protesters have added "economic reform" to "legality" in order to justify their racism. How transparent!

According to two of their leaders, George Riviere and Eileen Garcia, their protest against the site "... is and always will be about the city using community assistance money to fund a project that does not directly benefit Laguna

residents." Not only is this blatantly untrue but just expressing such a pathetic justification shows the mindlessness of the opposition. All one has to do is look around town and note the Latino Hispanic laborers serving the predominately white population (including the hypocritical protesters).

The nannies take care of the kids (and dogs), the cleaning ladies take care of the houses, the gardeners take care of the landscapes, the construction workers build the houses (statistics show the average new house would cost 25% more without immigrant workers), the restaurant workers cook the food(whether it's French or Italian), and clean up after us.

Need I go on? We need the labor and the Hispanics need the work. Face it ! It is a simple capitalist paradigm.

A day without Latinos would bring life, as we know it in Laguna to a screaming halt. Who would do their work? At what price? The Hispanic immigrant (legal or otherwise) is absolutely necessary for the people of Laguna to keep their affluent lifestyle at an affordable price. We get far more from the hardworking, inexpensive migrant workers than the pitiful assistance given to them by the city. In fact, I am proud of being a resident because of the humane treatment given to the day laborers by my town and its churches, especially when compared with other cities. We cannot do anything about hateful white supremacists, but we can give more support to our Hispanic immigrant workers, not less.

GENE COOPER

Laguna Beach
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Laguna Beach

Labor center is

backed by ruling

Bill Rihn and others have been writing letters to the editor reinforcing their belief that the city, and the government in general, are working against the law because they are providing a site for day laborers to find jobs and residents and contractors to find workers. I manage apartments, and I admit that I am one of those people who go to the hiring area to hire people to clean up and paint apartments, dig out weeds and keep our apartments and homes and ultimately the city more attractive.

The real issue is not one of the city making a decision to provide a hiring area for the day workers. It was a decision by the Supreme Court that every person has a right to solicit work, whether it is on the sidewalk downtown, in front of a home or on Laguna Canyon Road. This is why the city of Lake Forest recently rescinded its order that day workers could not congregate at the intersection of Jeronimo and Lake Forest. It was quickly pointed out that it could not make such a decision. It could, however, identify a specific area where the laborers could solicit work.

This is exactly the decision the Laguna Beach City Council came to several years ago. The North Laguna Community Association had received many complaints about day laborers at the Circle K on North Coast Highway. These complaints were forwarded to the council, and the decision was to have a location in Laguna Canyon near the lumber yard that would be managed to ensure both appropriate behavior by the workers and fair treatment by the employers.

If enough individuals do not want the hiring area in Laguna Canyon, the city can rescind its decision to have a centralized area, and leave the day laborers to their own choice of locations. Perhaps to North Coast Highway, South Coast Highway or the sidewalks at Main Beach.

Personally, I like the way it works now.

WAYNE L. PETERSON

Laguna Beach

* EDITOR'S NOTE: Wayne L. Peterson is a former City Councilman.

[Oldpreach]

Thanks for sharing that story. It is obviously a story reflecting the other side of the issue. Funny how it did not even mention SaveOurState or those that put on the July 16th protest, but only militants carrying Nazi flags! Lopsided? Nah...whata joke, barely even journalism.

The title says 'stronger than ever' , then trys to make an argument that the place has not been affected, but is the same. How is it stronger than ever??? It also says that the center was in fact impacted, and gives the stats showing just how it was. So, dear 'journalist', that would in fact make it 'weaker than ever', would it not ???

Several things are worth taking note of. It was said that only 157 pickups were made for one entire week the week after we were there. It was said that on a regular Saturday, that 49 pickups were made vs. 27 when we were there.. The 49 pickups represent 1/3 of the entire week ! Well, if you think about it, if we were to show in force earlier we would really make a huge difference ! Remember, it is not what the people in the artlcle think AT ALL, its about putting the pain on and closing that illegal center down.

The ONLY thing preventing this site from being shut down is a lack of those that can show up on a daily basis and protest it. We have lives, and can not do this. If we showed up late, and still cut the pick ups by 40%, it proves that the place is not just vulnerable, but would in fact be useless if we could show up more. Even if we do not show up more, the pressure is still on the degenerates in the City Council to close it. Either way, we are winning becuzz we are in fact having an impact, something that would not be happening at all if we just stayed home and watched scooby do that morning.

Without a doubt we must push this place off the edge. Showing up there on a Saturday earlier than we did could cut the total weekly pick ups there by a full 1/3, and that would devestate the wretched and miserable place.

[lance_sjogren]

That Gene Cooper character is quite a hatemonger.

[lance_sjogren]

Oh, and I forgot, that Gene Cooper character is quite an idiot, as well.

[Oldpreach]

He is not worthy of a response. He just wants his slaves, he even stated this clearly.

Scumbag slavemaster is all he is. I would not mind slapping his ugly face.

[AyatollahGondola]

Scumbag slavemaster is all he is. I would not mind slapping his ugly face. Maybe that "turning the other cheek" term was supposed to be meant for smiting, rather than being reserved. Alot can be lost in translation from Latin to English you know...
If we get clarification on that, I'd volunteer more often. I'd enjoy "turning" cheeks in the manner you mentioned.

[BorderRaven]

What if the "transients" and "delinquent teenagers" were taken to the day labor center?

How would they be treated, by the illegals and the center staff?


Can someone try this?

[SaveOurState]

So, when do we all want to go back.

[FedUpWithIt]

It's funny, they think we "lost" because we didn't significantly affect their hirings. Obviously they have no idea how this whole thing works. The more press we get about this stuff, the more people wake up to this BS and want to stop it.

It would be great if we stopped hirings there for a week and they had to shut down, but that's not our overall goal in my opinion.



And yes, we should go back there ASAP. And no nazi flags for christ sake, if I see one you're going to have a hard time keeping me from tearing it out of their hands and stomping it into the ground. Either arrest me after I do it or separate them from us. F'ing Nazi's... :rant:

[SaveOurState]

Anyone up for Saturday, Sept. 10th?

[BlackCatsinOntario]

Sept. 10 sounds good to me! B)

[Cazamigrante]

I'm in, but if they open at 6 AM, let's get there when they open. No sense locking the barn after the horse has gotten out.

[Cazamigrante]

For God's sake NO!

Let the world see who they ARE, just as they see who we AREN'T!

Just because they're stupid enough to identify themselves as Communists doesn't mean we have to be equally stupid by being identified as Nazis and racists.

Geez, that's asinine. :blink:

[AyatollahGondola]

C'mon soldiers,
No reason to pick fights amongst each other here. there will be plenty of illegal alien sympathizer butt to pick on at the protest. Besides, I think I have something that can help as Nazi repellent.

Blackie,....would you be interested in giving it a test run at this rally if I can get them shipped to you by then? I can have maybe 5 or 6 of them if you can raise a squad to help. Maybe CATPATROL or some other tenured members?

[BlackCatsinOntario]

Blackie,....would you be interested in giving it a test run at this rally if I can get them shipped to you by then? I can have maybe 5 or 6 of them if you can raise a squad to help. Maybe CATPATROL or some other tenured members?

Cool. I don't see any problems with it, as long as Joe okay'ed with that. I am planning on bringing two SOS banners with me along with its supports. I guess Joe will have to make a final decision on this. I am very open-minded. :)

[AyatollahGondola]

Perhaps you can convince him to look at the demo before too long then. I already sent it to him some weeks back, but I think he fears it was a porn clip starring illegal aliens and indymedia goons doing the mexican cha-cha together.

[Cat Patrol]

I'll be there.

[deport_today]

I went to the last two but, I didn't see any parking so I drove on by.

so becaues of the parking problem I will not go back there.

[Oldpreach]

There is not parking problem there if you arrive at a decent time. If you get there late, its a 5 minute walk from the metered parking down south of the center.

[SaveOurState]

This will be earlier than the last one...so, parking should be in abundant supply.

[MSMAYDAY]

[The nannies take care of the kids (and dogs), the cleaning ladies take care of the houses, the gardeners take care of the landscapes, the construction workers build the houses (statistics show the average new house would cost 25% more without immigrant workers), the restaurant workers cook the food(whether it's French or Italian), and clean up after us.



Since Laguna Beach thinks so highly of their illegal workers, who do so much for them, why not hold up signs demanding subsidized housing for "undocumented workers" in Laguna Beach.

Laguna Beach wants the cheap labor then incorporate these folks into "their" community and "their" schools.

[sosal]

Originally posted by MSMAYDAY@Aug 27 2005, 11:38 AM
[The nannies take care of the kids (and dogs), the cleaning ladies take care of the houses, the gardeners take care of the landscapes, the construction workers build the houses (statistics show the average new house would cost 25% more without immigrant workers), the restaurant workers cook the food(whether it's French or Italian), and clean up after us.



Since Laguna Beach thinks so highly of their illegal workers, who do so much for them, why not hold up signs demanding subsidized housing for "undocumented workers" in Laguna Beach.

Laguna Beach wants the cheap labor then incorporate these folks into "their" community and "their" schools.
I like that. It is hypocritical that Laguna beach should exploit those people while not allowing them to live in their community.

Maybe the mayor could convert his garage into a dormitory and build a couple of shacks in the back yard to house the illegals the town prizes so much. Charge 'em by the day, and have three shifts for sleeping, using the same beds.

[SaveOurState]

I am thinking we should just really drop the hammer on this center and go for three consecutive weekends.

Or two of three weekends.

If we can sustain some pressure on the facility, we would be able to discourage day laborers from even going to the facility on a Saturday.

I am also thinking we need to do more to publicly shame these employers of day laborers.


What if we were to protest the center on:

Sept 10
Sept 17*
Sept 24

Sept. 17th is the first weekend of the Friends of the Border Patrol borderwatch though.

[SOSrules]

Originally posted by Ghost@Aug 26 2005, 09:37 AM
Racism is pernicious affliction

Recent demonstrations at the day-labor site have exposed the not-so-hidden racism of those who use their opposition to illegal immigration as a means to manifest their true racist feelings. Seeing spirited protesters waving American flags in unison with those of the Aryan Brotherhood and neo-confederacy is a painful reminder of the ubiquitous nature of racism, a dark corner of the human soul. Just when you think America has this pernicious cancer in remission it metastasizes once again.

Obviously, racism has been a shaping force in American history. The fact that the government has now seen fit to pass laws against "hate crimes," no matter how futile, is nevertheless an indication that prejudice and racism is deeply embedded in the national ethos. Yet, no matter what laws we pass, they cannot exorcise what is hard-wired to our collective unconscious. We can only use the tools of law and a sense of moral empathy to keep racism and class warfare in check.

The issue of "legal" versus "illegal" in the case of illegal immigration is only a ruse or red herring. If today we made all Hispanic laborers legal tomorrow the protesters would find some other excuse to vent their hate. Bigots are like that. In their game of smoke and mirrors, the opposition has couched its current debate in legal terms to make it palatable to a society that prides itself in being law abiding. It gets our attention.

Most Americans are offended by lawbreakers and rightfully so. We are a nation of laws. This is an important part of how we define civilization. Thus the term "illegal" is a cultural hot button. If the issue of legality is truly what this whole thing is all about I would say, "OK send all the lawbreakers back home." However, no sane person believes this. Even the Skinheads and Neo Confederates came running at the sweet smell of racism. They know when the game is afoot.

Our own regional protesters have added "economic reform" to "legality" in order to justify their racism. How transparent!

According to two of their leaders, George Riviere and Eileen Garcia, their protest against the site "... is and always will be about the city using community assistance money to fund a project that does not directly benefit Laguna

residents." Not only is this blatantly untrue but just expressing such a pathetic justification shows the mindlessness of the opposition. All one has to do is look around town and note the Latino Hispanic laborers serving the predominately white population (including the hypocritical protesters).

The nannies take care of the kids (and dogs), the cleaning ladies take care of the houses, the gardeners take care of the landscapes, the construction workers build the houses (statistics show the average new house would cost 25% more without immigrant workers), the restaurant workers cook the food(whether it's French or Italian), and clean up after us.

Need I go on? We need the labor and the Hispanics need the work. Face it ! It is a simple capitalist paradigm.

A day without Latinos would bring life, as we know it in Laguna to a screaming halt. Who would do their work? At what price? The Hispanic immigrant (legal or otherwise) is absolutely necessary for the people of Laguna to keep their affluent lifestyle at an affordable price. We get far more from the hardworking, inexpensive migrant workers than the pitiful assistance given to them by the city. In fact, I am proud of being a resident because of the humane treatment given to the day laborers by my town and its churches, especially when compared with other cities. We cannot do anything about hateful white supremacists, but we can give more support to our Hispanic immigrant workers, not less.

GENE COOPER

Laguna Beach
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Laguna Beach

Labor center is

backed by ruling

Bill Rihn and others have been writing letters to the editor reinforcing their belief that the city, and the government in general, are working against the law because they are providing a site for day laborers to find jobs and residents and contractors to find workers. I manage apartments, and I admit that I am one of those people who go to the hiring area to hire people to clean up and paint apartments, dig out weeds and keep our apartments and homes and ultimately the city more attractive.

The real issue is not one of the city making a decision to provide a hiring area for the day workers. It was a decision by the Supreme Court that every person has a right to solicit work, whether it is on the sidewalk downtown, in front of a home or on Laguna Canyon Road. This is why the city of Lake Forest recently rescinded its order that day workers could not congregate at the intersection of Jeronimo and Lake Forest. It was quickly pointed out that it could not make such a decision. It could, however, identify a specific area where the laborers could solicit work.

This is exactly the decision the Laguna Beach City Council came to several years ago. The North Laguna Community Association had received many complaints about day laborers at the Circle K on North Coast Highway. These complaints were forwarded to the council, and the decision was to have a location in Laguna Canyon near the lumber yard that would be managed to ensure both appropriate behavior by the workers and fair treatment by the employers.

If enough individuals do not want the hiring area in Laguna Canyon, the city can rescind its decision to have a centralized area, and leave the day laborers to their own choice of locations. Perhaps to North Coast Highway, South Coast Highway or the sidewalks at Main Beach.

Personally, I like the way it works now.

WAYNE L. PETERSON

Laguna Beach

* EDITOR'S NOTE: Wayne L. Peterson is a former City Councilman.
nauseating platitudes!!! they suck!!!!

[SOSrules]

Originally posted by AyatollahGondola@Aug 26 2005, 03:24 PM
Perhaps you can convince him to look at the demo before too long then. I already sent it to him some weeks back, but I think he fears it was a porn clip starring illegal aliens and indymedia goons doing the mexican cha-cha together.
dude, you just made me barf......

[SaveOurState]

Ganahl Lumber opens at 7:30AM on Saturdays, for what that is worth.

[Sandinator]

I can make it to at least one of the the rallies, but I don't get the focus on this one area when there are so many areas to choose from. Truly we haven't scratched the surface of all the places in So Cal that have illegal day laborer centers. -_-

[Cazamigrante]

The focus is called Whack-A-Mole.

If you hit it hard enough, enough times, it takes a long time to bounce back. Illegals will stop congregating, and people will stop coming by to pick them up, because of the problems legal protests create.

When criminal activity (remember, hiring illegal aliens is a federal crime) is beaten into submission at this site, it'll be time to pick another site.

Ideally, we should pick an even dozen, and hit them for a month each, in rotation.

If you can find one near a mall in December, so much the better.

And when you get enough people, start hitting them all simultaneously, or every weekend, or for seven days straight.

And it's even better if you can coordinate the rallies without tipping off the Goons in advance. It never hurts to misdirect them, and leave them standing and flapping their gums while you stage successful protests somewhere else.

How about it, Joe? Want to close down twelve illegal alien crime zones in the next twelve months?

[Sandinator]

With all due respect Caz, that isn't what I meant. I know that hitting a site again and again will have more of an effect than just hitting and running. That is just stating the obvious.

What I meant was why Laguna? They have no more of a problem than many other areas. This IS Save Our State afterall, NOT Save Our Laguna Beach. <_<

[SaveOurState]

Originally posted by Sandinator@Aug 28 2005, 10:16 AM
With all due respect Caz, that isn't what I meant. I know that hitting a site again and again will have more of an effect than just hitting and running. That is just stating the obvious.

What I meant was why Laguna? They have no more of a problem than many other areas. This IS Save Our State afterall, NOT Save Our Laguna Beach. <_<
There are several reasons for Laguna.

First, it is a city sponsored and taxpayer funded center.
Two, we have a fairly captive audience and high traffic area on Laguna Canyon Road.
Three, I am very unhappy with the way Laguna Beach PD handled the situation last time we were there.
Four, we are impacting Ganahl Lumber, their sales and sales tax revenue.
Five, with a sustained attack we can discourage day laborers from gathering there and hopefully encourage them to leave the facility in order to find more fertile ground.
Six, I want to see how much stronger this day labor center is now.

I wish we had more people so that we could have more than one event on the same day...but until then, we are limited in what we can do.

[Sandinator]

These are all very sensbile reasons. Plus I think it will drive those birkenstock wearing, elderly hippie types that are indigenous to the area CRAZY!!! :lol:

[Cat Patrol]

If the people in Laguna love illegals so much, I say we pick up a busload of them and drop them off right there on Laguna Highway.

[Oldpreach]

You forgot:

7. To see this rat hole closed down while the elitist city council members cry like babies.

8. To chalk up a nice victory and put a feather in our cap to reference back to.

9. A victory there will set a precedent for other areas to fear, and they will crumble much quicker that way, or beg for terms of surrender.

[EastCoastGrannie]

NIMBY - not in my backyard.

Imagine if the genteel people of Lanuna Beach had to live side by side with their cheap peon labor? Wouldn't they change their tune.

Have you been reading abou the day laborer problem in Herndon, Virginia? Herndon is a suburb of Washington DC. I am sure there are many government bureaucrats who live in Herndon. Herndon's response to the day laborer problem was much like Laguna Beach. The politicians have voted to build a day laborer hiring hall. That way they still can enjoy the cheap labor without having to endure the sight of the day laborer hordes. Sort of like having your cake and eating it too. Good news, Judicial Watch is threatening to sue the town of Herndon for helping illegal aliens break the law.

There are many illegal aliens now in the suburbs of Washington. This must now be a topic of conversation among the people who run the government. Among the problems are the Mara Salvatrucha gang and decent homes being tuned into illegal flophouses. It's the same thing everywhere. I even read something about gang members at the Tyson's Corner Mall. The Tyson's Corner Mall is very exclusive with many designer shops. I visited it once when I was in the DC area. When gang members frequent the same exclusive malls where the bigshots shop, it is really hitting home. The Washington elites are now getting a taste of what many average Americans have endured.

EastCoastGrannie

[sosal]

Originally posted by EastCoastGrannie@Aug 28 2005, 03:04 PM
The Washington elites are now getting a taste of what many average Americans have endured.
And may they stuff themselves until they croak.

[Cazamigrante]

"Bartender!

Another trough of vinegar for all the birkenstock-wearing hippie-leftover open-borders immigrant-exploiting pigs in Laguna Beach!

A toast, swine...

Today we rub your NIMBY snouts in the havoc you've brewed for our neighborhoods by subsidizing illegal immigration. Tomorrow, we're going to do the same thing to your friends in Costa Mesa, and Glendale, and Burbank, and so on, until the only place it's comfortable to be an illegal immigrant standing on a curb in Southern California is the city bus depot, hungry, broke, and clutching a ticket for home! Cheers!" :P

[Polly]

Originally posted by deport_today@Aug 26 2005, 05:27 PM
I went to the last two but, I didn't see any parking so I drove on by.

so becaues of the parking problem I will not go back there.
Perhaps we could organize carpooling. I am in Costa Mesa Orange County; I have an Astro Van that could accommodate seven passengers. Just email me and probably we can work something out.

Regardless IÂ’m in for a peaceful SOS rally.

[Polly]

Originally posted by SaveOurState+Aug 28 2005, 09:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SaveOurState @ Aug 28 2005, 09:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Sandinator@Aug 28 2005, 10:16 AM
With all due respect Caz, that isn't what I meant. I know that hitting a site again and again will have more of an effect than just hitting and running. That is just stating the obvious.

What I meant was why Laguna?Â* They have no more ofÂ* a problem than many other areas. This IS Save Our State afterall, NOTÂ* Save Our Laguna Beach. <_<
There are several reasons for Laguna.

First, it is a city sponsored and taxpayer funded center.
Two, we have a fairly captive audience and high traffic area on Laguna Canyon Road.
Three, I am very unhappy with the way Laguna Beach PD handled the situation last time we were there.
Four, we are impacting Ganahl Lumber, their sales and sales tax revenue.
Five, with a sustained attack we can discourage day laborers from gathering there and hopefully encourage them to leave the facility in order to find more fertile ground.
Six, I want to see how much stronger this day labor center is now.

I wish we had more people so that we could have more than one event on the same day...but until then, we are limited in what we can do. [/b][/quote]
Any ideas or suggestions about who we could invite to the Laguna Beach Rally, like maybe Veterans, Union Members, Legal Day Workers, INS (lol)? Other groups could balance the Nazi groups. Rather we are offended or not they have the right to rally also. I just wish they would blend in or stay on their own turf.
EveryoneÂ’s suggestions are valuable and we need to get started now because time is flying by and September 10th @7:30AM will be here soon.
Also any petitions regarding SOS issues will be welcome.

[Polly]

Hey, is the Laguna Beach Ganahl Lumber Rally on September 10th @ 7:30AM official yet??? :blink:

[Cat Patrol]

Veterans and fraternal groups are good places for flyers.

VFWs, American Legions, Elks lodges and all that...

[SaveOurState]

Originally posted by Polly@Aug 30 2005, 01:49 PM
Hey, is the Laguna Beach Ganahl Lumber Rally on September 10th @ 7:30AM official yet??? :blink:
I think we are going to do an 8:00AM start.

[DonnaM2005]

If you guys are going to do all three of those dates please film it so I can show some people in my state all their so called good behavour I know someone here who helps out with the veterans and I told them how the one facilty was attacked and he has borrowed my copy of the Baldwin Park Rally one so when my friends actually sits down to view it I know he will be upset about the water bottle so if you would please get some more of their behavour I would appreciate it and lots of luck.

[Watch Out]

Saturdays? Count me in!

[sacramentogreg]

I havenÂ’t found any SOS made fliers on this site, have I just missed them? If there are none designed are they in the works?

I havenÂ’t made it down to any of the protests but am curious if the passing cars of people who support you are given fliers. I imagine that it would hold up traffic, though if you flag them down you can hand them fliers pamphlets or DVD's with an SOS perspective on the issues.

[Cat Patrol]

Our very own Stevestr has made up some prototype flyers and business cards over at his site.

http://www.stevestr.org/SOS/