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SaveOurState
09-11-2005, 09:43 AM
Making a place for workers (http://www2.dailynews.com/news/ci_3018429)

Los Angeles would become one of the first major cities in the nation to require big home-improvement stores to create shelters for day laborers under a recently drafted city ordinance that takes aim at regulating the controversial issue.
The move comes as city leaders seek to aid a growing number of laborers who gather at such stores to solicit informal construction jobs and to quell rising community concern about loitering, security and other effects on neighborhoods.

"This multimillion-dollar business ignores the fact that these problems are created by the stores," said City Councilman Bernard Parks, who has proposed the ordinance.

But critics say such regulation - which would require stores to create shelters that provide `a minimum level of amenities," including access to drinking water and toilets - could simply lead to larger problems, and community activists and others say it does little to offset their concerns.

"It's an incredible issue for urban California," said Fernando Guerra, a lobbyist for Home Depot and professor who heads Loyola Marymount University's Center for the Study of Los Angeles.

Guerra, who said he was speaking for himself and not Home Depot, said that designated shelters might drive some day laborers away because of factors like competition for jobs. That could cause other problems, he said, which could require police enforcement and lead to legal issues.

"I'm not against day labor sites, because they actually offer amenities and some assistance for day laborers," Guerra said. "The question becomes, how do we make them work, and this ordinance does not address that at all. It says, hey, do a day labor site; we've washed our hands."

Day labor is a complicated issue, and the ordinance is a first step rather than a catch-all solution, said Principal City Planner Jane Blumenfeld.

"We were trying to create a vehicle for negotiating solutions," she said. "This shouldn't make it onerous."

At the Home Depot in North Hollywood on a recent Friday morning, about 25 men waited for work on Sherman Way just beyond the store's gates. When customers would leave the parking lot with some workers, a security guard would usher the rest of the men back onto the street.

"We get here at six in the morning," said worker Jesus Castillo. "Sometimes we wait six, seven or eight hours for work."

They spend that time on the sidewalk, where there is limited space to sit or lean against walls. Home Depot lets them use the bathroom, which the workers said they appreciate, although the walk across the sprawling parking lot is long.

Castillo and several of his fellow workers said waiting on the sidewalk is fine, but they would welcome the proposed ordinance to have a dedicated spot with drinking water and shelter from the weather.

But the gathering of day laborers outside of stores such as Home Depot has become a growing controversy in communities including Sunland, where activists are seeking to block Home Depot's plans to open a store on the site of a shuttered Kmart.

"When we open that door, day laborers will be right here," said community activist Jescik Amarian, adding that she's so concerned that she's thinking of moving because her house and tree-lined street abut the proposed site.

"I feel bad for laborers, but it shouldn't have to be this way. ... People shouldn't have to look for jobs on the streets. They are running the risk of (creating) insecurity and violence."

The concern mirrors that in hundreds of areas across the country - a problem that has divided communities and brought accusations of racism and even lawsuits.

"People are afraid of day laborers, but few try to talk to them," said Pablo Alvarado, director of National Day Labor Organizing Network, which represents thousands of workers.

"When people realize that day laborers are men with families, trying to bring food home, the human connection will be established; they will no longer see the worker as a criminal but a human being.

"The people have the right to congregate on public property, looking for work, offering their service. It's protected free speech."

But anti-immigrant groups such as Save Our State have picketed several Home Depots in Southern California recently, calling the hardware retailer a friend of illegal immigration and a magnet for blight.

Many say longtime efforts by cities to prevent laborers from soliciting have done little.

A Los Angeles County ordinance restricting pickup labor was struck down in 2000 and a federal court recently sided with laborers, ruling against a Glendale law prohibiting curbside solicitation.

A district court judge ruled the law unconstitutional, calling it too vague and a violation of workers' right to free speech on public property.

Trying another tack, the Los Angeles' community development department opened a day laborer program for the city that now extends to seven sites and cost $1.7 million including ones in North Hollywood and downtown.

Home Depot officials said they have yet to review the recently proposed city ordinance.

"Day laborers are not a Home Depot issue alone," said Kathryn Gallagher, a spokeswoman for Home Depot. "It's a community issue. It needs to be a community effort. We are happy to sit down at the table and be part of the solution."



Of course, we are anti-immigrant once again. :rolleyes:

California Yanqui
09-11-2005, 10:08 AM
Come again? How is loitering connected to looking for work and free speech?
BS. LA County is a cesspool.

walkingtall
09-11-2005, 10:34 AM
They should consider an ordinance requiring labor centers to verify its users have a legal right to work before letting them use it if they want to lose the stigma of harboring criminals.

BorderRaven
09-11-2005, 11:13 AM
I see the City Council of Los Angeles, is flying under the radar of using taxpayer dollars, for the centers, by requiring the retailer, to provide the day labor center.

I am surprised that Bernard Parks, former police chief of Los Angeles, would be involved in approving such an illicit act.

On the one hand any workers legally here, would seek work through employers, who follow the employment laws. On the other hand, the city government would cooperate with the state and federal governments and assist in the deportation of those in the USA, in violation of immigration laws. I am ashamed of the Los Angeles government.

When will our city governments recognize the presence of loitering workers, is an indication of a saturation of a population over a demographic. Such a saturation leads to problems. The solution is to thin out the distribution, or remove the excess to the source. Deport the illegals.

The mention that the day laborers use the restroom facilities in the Home Depot stores, raises the question of sanitation. AS anyone who has ever worked in the same building with someone from rural Latin American countries, I know first hand what the signs are of someone who has not been educated, in the proper use of a toilet and toilet paper, in the USA. I have seen Third World restrooms, in Southern California.

USA today
09-11-2005, 12:29 PM
Geeez , what did you guys expect with a mexican mayor ,

Its only gonna get worse ,

And of course some blame falling on the lib symp judges , thats why the la razas and the other mexican orginizations are so quick to sue when they don't get their way .......they know the courts are going to side with them ,

laidback
09-11-2005, 08:31 PM
Traditonal day labor sites in California at one time were also handled by the Human Resources Department (aka "the unemployment department"). Many years ago, I briefly worked out of the one in Santa Barbara. It was a sham, to say the least. Veterans were supposedly given priority, with Viet Nam Vets at the top of the eligibility list. But crooks like Vet Rep, Mike Murdy, would pander to his Santa Barbara friends (many of the elite who required casual labor from time to time) and assign the best jobs to whomever he favored. I wrote a letter of complaint to a Veterans Rep in L.A. at that time. A guy named Martinez showed up sometime thereafter and kicked some butt. But within a brief period of time, things pretty much descended to their previous level of nepotism, favoritism, etc.

I suspect that the Mexican "Jornaleros" may have had similar experiences with official day labor sites, which usually require some kind of registration and detailed work history. Some do well by them, and others get the "persona non grata" treatment. At any rate, some communities that have established these official work sites seem to have the continuing problem of other stray workers preferring to advertise themselves along the traditional rendevous boulevards, rather than sign up and be placed on a list for possible jobs. Illegal immigrants especially often fear any kind of "official" registration or selective process... remembering how well those kinds of things work in Mexico.

Cazamigrante
09-12-2005, 08:20 AM
If, on the other hand, professional panderer Bernie Parks had worked to rescind the LAPD's Special Order 40, which prohibited police officers from trying to get criminal illegal aliens deported, L.A. would have thousands fewer criminals and crimes.

This is just one huge idiot trying to get 14 of his co-idiots to shaft Home Depot with the responsibility for thousands of illegal aliens.

If Home Depot had a set of balls, they'd threaten to close all their stores within L.A. City limits the day after this ordinance was passed.

Getting 50,000 pissed off HD employees to call their councilmen when their jobs were about to go away permanently would kill this kind of stupidity in its tracks.

If the L.A. City Council still wants sites for day laborers to congregate at daily, I think some of the folks that still live in L.A. should aggressively agitate to force the first 17 such sites to be built on the front lawns of their 15 council members, the Chief of Police, and the Mayor.

Sauce for the goose is good for the gander. :)

Patriotic Dream
09-12-2005, 01:29 PM
Remembering 9/11 four year anniversary; the devastation of Katrina; the increase of crimes.....and all our city government can think about is day labor sites!!! The city of LA - actually the state of California government has turned into socialists!! What ever happened to the will of the people?? Being in government to protect the legal citizens of one's country?? Can these elected officials not look at the bigger picture?? Do they not foresee the economic and social destruction of supporting illegal workers?? Are there not other issues at hand in this state? In this country?? Do they not realize that they can not bring back the lives lost on that fatal September 11th? And that with such porous borders America risks another 9/11 tragedy?? What about the lives lost due to Katrina?? Analysts have stated that it will take 50 years to repair the South! All these people have lost their homes, jobs, and loved ones. It will cost billions to repair this damage! Yet our government wants to spend millions of dollars that our country simply doesn't have to aid and abet criminal trespassers!!

I can not believe these two quotes from the article:

"People are afraid of day laborers, but few try to talk to them," said Pablo Alvarado, director of National Day Labor Organizing Network, which represents thousands of workers.

"When people realize that day laborers are men with families, trying to bring food home, the human connection will be established; they will no longer see the worker as a criminal but a human being.

First of all they are criminals - they broke a federal law!! I am remodeling my home and yes have needed to buy a few things at Home Depot. The closest Home Depot near my home happens to be the North Hollywood store mentioned in this article. I have endured lewd catcalls, whistles, & gestures from these "men with families". I even had one run up to me and just google at me with his eyes!! And I am not supposed to feel threatened! The "men with families" at this particular Home Depot smell like alcohol and just look menacing overall. I have seen them yell at customers who drive off without hiring them. The groups I notice at this Home Depot do not act like men trying to bring food home to their families!

Perhaps SOS should consider this Home Depot as site to protest! (By the way, the parking lot here, although large is not that sprawling!! Please!)

Binh
09-12-2005, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by Patriotic Dream@Sep 12 2005, 11:29 AM
The city of LA - actually the state of California government has turned into socialists!! What ever happened to the will of the people?? Being in government to protect the legal citizens of one's country??
This is exactly what they Ford Foundation wants, and why they spend millions supporting open borders and multiculturalism. They don't want you to have freedom, liberty, or security. Freedom makes you an ugly, destructive American, which they loath.

lance_sjogren
09-12-2005, 03:58 PM
Newpapers like the LA Times and the Daily News ought to be grownup enough by now to know the difference between wanting the laws against illegal immigration to be enforced versus being "anti-immigrant".

In fact, in my view, when a paper like the Daily News says such a thing I believe they are displaying radical anti-Americanism.

To call an illegal alien an immigrant is to say that a foreign national makes the decision whether he can live in the United States rather than the U.S. Government making that decision.

If the U.S. government does not have the power to decide who is granted legal residence here, then it is no longer a government.


So, what the Daily News is saying is that it wants to wipe out America as a sovereign nation.

techniac
09-12-2005, 04:55 PM
"When people realize that day laborers are men with families, trying to bring food home, the human connection will be established; they will no longer see the worker as a criminal but a human being.

Wow ... that brings tears to my eyes :crybaby:

joazinha
09-12-2005, 05:13 PM
ANYONE with ANY common sense realizes that an ILLEGAL alien is a FOREIGN CRIMINAL TRESPASSER. I guess OUR government either has NO common sense in THIS regard, or MORE likely, they DON'T care!

Sandinator
09-12-2005, 08:40 PM
Making a place for workers (http://www2.dailynews.com/news/ci_3018429)


At the Home Depot in North Hollywood on a recent Friday morning, about 25 men They spend that time on the sidewalk, where there is limited space to sit or lean against walls. Home Depot lets them use the bathroom, which the workers said they appreciate, although the walk across the sprawling parking lot is long. Castillo and several of his fellow workers said waiting on the sidewalk is fine, but they would welcome the proposed ordinance to have a dedicated spot with drinking water and shelter from the weather.


So is the trek across the desert.... they do fine with that. Well most of the time.
This is pretty much the same sort of reward for illegals as putting the water fountains and rest areas for them in the desert as they break our law to illegally enter our country. Gees, what a crock! http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a43/Weeebs/bah.gif

Kathy58
09-13-2005, 10:30 AM
This is a natural and probable result of Los Angeles being a mexican city. Those that don't want to live in this kind of ugly place will leave. They are leaving now, thousands and thousands have already left.